tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-755834342571488774.post6249400287912242689..comments2024-03-20T08:05:26.167+00:00Comments on Bracknell Blog: Eco-libertarianism (Libertarian v Greens)Mark Thompsonhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/00744387583593537268noreply@blogger.comBlogger8125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-755834342571488774.post-9269701504168522502011-01-24T19:46:24.064+00:002011-01-24T19:46:24.064+00:00European Libertarian perspective ? I still dont kn...European Libertarian perspective ? I still dont know what their uk views are. From what I hear, they don't want to pay tax, they think thousands of scientists are lying to get a job. They want to privatise the health service, and everything else, partly to pay less tax. <br /><br />Most parties have policies on many hundreds of subjects, is it a surprise that a few polices may be similar between say the LD and the Greens? It would be more surprising of we had nothing in common.Adrian Windischhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16306364832746111534noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-755834342571488774.post-66459641777034333942011-01-21T05:11:08.883+00:002011-01-21T05:11:08.883+00:00Oh I'm about mirrored to your position on the ...Oh I'm about mirrored to your position on the other side of the vertical axis. I'd generally characterise myself as Classical Liberal, member of Lib Vision etc.<br /><br />The debate tends to be a bit more nuanced in Europe cf the US, perhaps because we've actually been through a number of transitions rather than the way the US has formed.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-755834342571488774.post-76240905375554474432011-01-21T04:31:30.605+00:002011-01-21T04:31:30.605+00:00I agree this is more likely to happen in the US no...I agree this is more likely to happen in the US not Europe, I get the impression there are less libs in europe anywaydazmandohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14859994295771083457noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-755834342571488774.post-55525860680042409152011-01-21T04:29:48.037+00:002011-01-21T04:29:48.037+00:00being a bit libiterian myself, see my compass box,...being a bit libiterian myself, see my compass box, perhaps your a left Lib which explains why your a lib dem. Right libs tend to advocate thats there is no climate change, not always of course.dazmandohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14859994295771083457noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-755834342571488774.post-48054955542703990032011-01-20T17:10:06.272+00:002011-01-20T17:10:06.272+00:00On the other hand I'm not convinced by your ch...On the other hand I'm not convinced by your characterisation of the libertarian view of climate change. Coming from the libertarian side of the Lib Dems I, and many I know, agree that the evidence supports the climate change narrative, but we disagree on what can be done about it. That's where we get in to the libertarian view of the role of the state and the relationship between the individual and the state, as opposed to the individual and the society within which they operate.<br /><br />For what it's worth I don't see what's described as a particularly scaleable solution, or particularly aligned with an economic liberal perspective, recognising that libertarianism in Europe is quite different from that expressed in the US.<br /><br />That said if one looks at the Green Party in the UK one sees a party that is very hostile to even a European Libertarian perspective with a very centralised and controlling state with significant constraints on a wide range of personal activities.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-755834342571488774.post-899448519681796362011-01-20T04:09:37.285+00:002011-01-20T04:09:37.285+00:00Perfect sence, too them thats what I meant. not to...Perfect sence, too them thats what I meant. not to me as such.<br /><br />Adrain<br /><br />just because different movements are left or right does not mean that there is not a situation where they can live in harmony with both values. If the situation fits like above, it can be done.dazmandohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14859994295771083457noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-755834342571488774.post-28232747537322279552011-01-18T21:40:41.907+00:002011-01-18T21:40:41.907+00:00Not my image of Greens. I have met many, most are ...Not my image of Greens. I have met many, most are social, all believe in public services such as NHS and transport. <br /><br />I havent met any Libertarians, a couple have been commenting on my website. They want everything privatised, a tiny state, so they can pay less tax. They seem to think climate change is a vast conspiracy. <br /><br />Left and right are a bit out of date yet people still use them, Greens are most often seen as left, Libertarians as right.Adrian Windischhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16306364832746111534noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-755834342571488774.post-73696239166179987842011-01-18T14:06:46.963+00:002011-01-18T14:06:46.963+00:00Perfect sense? Or the same kind of perfect nonsens...Perfect sense? Or the same kind of perfect nonsense perhaps? The fantasy of the atomised individual living without the headaches or benefits of society and economy is not one I share.Joe Ottenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18380362092159905533noreply@blogger.com