tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-755834342571488774.post7280490061829713982..comments2024-03-20T08:05:26.167+00:00Comments on Bracknell Blog: Burka and Veil ban and French Liberalism‏ & LibertyMark Thompsonhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/00744387583593537268noreply@blogger.comBlogger7125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-755834342571488774.post-43104412369658016812010-07-25T13:52:21.319+01:002010-07-25T13:52:21.319+01:00Strange thing liberty. Some may believe that libe...Strange thing liberty. Some may believe that liberty is the freedom to own slaves. Slaves may feel they should have the liberty to sell themselves. When women discriminate against themselves, separating them from society they deny the liberties of all women and the historical battle they have made for equality. A male view.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-755834342571488774.post-63157397126581273702010-07-17T09:42:03.006+01:002010-07-17T09:42:03.006+01:00Derek, cheers yes it has ben open season on muslim...Derek, cheers yes it has ben open season on muslims for quite a whiledazmandohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14859994295771083457noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-755834342571488774.post-60554525368996648952010-07-15T11:08:10.187+01:002010-07-15T11:08:10.187+01:00Good post, I am not keen on the burqa but telling ...Good post, I am not keen on the burqa but telling Muslim women what to wear is inappropriate, Muslims are just seen as fair game at the moment by those who like to discriminate.Derek Wallhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05462511891409913195noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-755834342571488774.post-68979636826199373302010-07-14T22:26:08.874+01:002010-07-14T22:26:08.874+01:00dougf. TBH I don't really get why people belie...dougf. TBH I don't really get why people believe in this stuff but thats not any of my business. nor is its our business to tell people what to do. I dont have any problem with people of different cultures living here as long as we respect and understand each other.dazmandohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14859994295771083457noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-755834342571488774.post-30326407293994255352010-07-14T13:47:43.410+01:002010-07-14T13:47:43.410+01:00Hi! I wrote an article talking about the ban on th...Hi! I wrote an article talking about the ban on the veil a while back. If your interested you can read it at: http://tinyurl.com/34dv9eo<br /><br />I think it is an aggressive attack on freedom of expression by a society cautious of change or any threat to 'national identity' (whatever that is...).Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-755834342571488774.post-74789236346449598122010-07-13T21:33:21.048+01:002010-07-13T21:33:21.048+01:00Bottom line --- The 'costume' is offensiv...Bottom line --- The 'costume' is offensive per se to all but a few Western observers. It 'says' things just by its existence, never mind the types promoting it. Now one can make the point that we can't any longer go around the World imposing our values upon the 'others', and I'm good with that. As long as not imposing is not seen to be the same as valuing or excusing. I detest cultural relativism. ALL cultures are NOT equally 'good' or 'just' or 'reasonable', and it is both inaccurate and offensive to defend practices simply because they are 'cultural' to somebody. Cannibalism was 'cultural' in some places. Did we defend that ? Would we defend it today ? I should hope not.<br /><br />But HERE at HOME ---- our bar, our boat. Want to hide yourself away in a sack while toddling down the high street the same as if you were still in deepest Saudi Arabia. Not acceptable. WE view these costumes as malevolent in both form and substance, an in OUR home we don't have to and we won't tolerate them. They are 'foreign', both culturally and philosophically. Insist on wearing this 'stuff', fine by me. Don't come here !!<br /><br />I don't blame the French for this, AND I consider them to be pursuing the true 'liberal' course of action.<br /><br />Ban away.dougfhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01204984674967097629noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-755834342571488774.post-13569441961690598892010-07-13T20:11:20.016+01:002010-07-13T20:11:20.016+01:00Hmm! Tightrope time! Muslims and people of the &...Hmm! Tightrope time! Muslims and people of the 'east' focus more on the eyes than the face or mouth! Note the East/ West differences in Emoticons by way of example:<br />West v East<br />'Happy' :-) (^_^)<br />'Sad' :-( (;_;) or (T_T)<br />'Surprise' :-o (o.o)<br />So who are we to say that someone who doesn't show their whole face is oppressed and must be protected by a ban. Banning circumcision would be a natural follow on if so.<br /><br />Reasonable perhaps to not employ someone being a school teather or as a broadcaster depending upon the audience but surely not from walking down a street or shopping?<br /><br />I think we in the west have stumbled into what is basically an islamic civil war or religious feud not unlike that concerning the question of Women Bishops. The struggle of womens' rights over orthodoxy but whilst supporting liberalisation, one should not discount cultural differences.<br /><br />Furthermore if the Burka became the new 'punk' fashion - perhaps related to musical tastes, would it be banned?JohnMhttp://tiny.cc/splashblognoreply@blogger.com