Monday, 23 November 2009

Is the Electorate Anti EU as a Whole?

Is a high proportion of the electorate within the UK anti EU?

David Cameron was very clear this a.m. in The AM Show - he wants to stay in Europe. He was adamant that the UK must not leave the EU. He specifically said he does not want an in/out referendum, he did not even indicate that he would work to get back some powers (his previous stance), only that he would bring in a bill to bind any UK government to hold a referendum before ratifying any future treaty. That is in line with France, Ireland, Denmark, etc.

The statement: It is a fact that a high proportion of the electorate within the UK are anti- EU is not necessarily true. It is true of Sun & Mail readers but not necessarily of business people. Financially it would be a disaster to come out. The trouble is these people have not made the case for staying in whereas Rupert Murdoch and some sections of the Northcliffe group have been allowed to brainwash the non-thinking electorate.

I don't personally feel the recent choosing of officials was a farce. It was possibly undemocratic BUT this is another case where the British media take words that are similar to one in English and translate them wrongly. They did it previously by translating federation as 'federation' rather than its true meaning 'confederation' (and most of them don't even know the English meaning of that word!). This time they have translated président as 'president' rather than 'chairman' which is the more usual French use of the word.

If this had been a pan-europe democratic ballot-box vote those incumbents would have been imbued with much more power. A real mandate, meaning an EU Federation brought much nearer which would certainly not be acceptable to the majority of UK citizens or other EU citizens for that matter. As it is they have limited power. It can be argued that it would have been more democratic if the elected MEPs had voted directly for these positions openly in the EU chamber rather than a ministerial deal at a closed door banquet but the ministers were from every member state.

This post was written by Old Biddy and is been posted here on their behalf by Dazmando


  1. Very interesting stuff regarding the usage of words such as "president".

    The problem (if it is that) with the EU is that the consequences if we moved out are almost undefinable. There are plenty of financial reasons for us to stay or leave and then there's also the intangiable reason of "goodwill" with the other European nations for us to stay in.

    I'm sure most of us could reel off half a dozen things that are bad about our involvement in Europe, however there are also half a dozen reasons why we should stay. Do these equalise one another? No idea.

    Personally I'm in favour of the UK staying in and attempting to change it in a way that will favour us (and the rest of Europe).

  2. Thank you. This is Bracknell, I have no idea too. we really need to know more about the EU. but I also think we should stay in it and improve the EU

  3. "Financially it would be a disaster"